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Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Are Gender Roles Valid?

#1 Wives Should Submit To Their Husbands

Men and women are equal, but they should have different roles. One particular gender role that I find valid and helpful is male headship in marriage. Yes, I'm a happily married woman (arguably, the happiest of all married women) and my husband is and should be the head of the household.

Practically speaking, one person must be the head. In Part Six of Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis reasons that one person needs the designation of the final-decision-maker because if a married couple disagrees and can't come to a consensus, then there are only two possible options: the couple separates or one opinion wins out. Wouldn't it be nice if there were some way to decide whose opinion would trump? Wisely, God designed marriage in such a way that the male would be the leader and female the supporter. Notice that this does not mean that men are superior to women; Jesus, being fully equal in power and glory with God the Father, submitted to Him, just as wives should submit to their husbands.

You don't necessarily have to believe in the Christian God in order to buy into the logic of male headship; empirically, it seems that male and female are different and that male headship works in accordance with this difference. (Also, I would like to make the disclaimer that not all Christians agree with my perspective either.)


Submitted by Amanda Stevens. Visit her Facebook Profile.

#2 Since I Can Cook, I Might Give It A Whirl

Gender-based roles happen. And they eliminate confusion. Almost by necessity, gender roles help us operate efficiently in society, community and family. Without them, we’d be forced to have the “Political Correctness” test before everything. I can just imagine what I’d say:

“Honey, I’m hungry – so I’m going to make dinner for us… Are you OK with that? I know its your turf and all, but I figured. Since I can cook, I might give it a whirl.”

But now that I write this, I think I remember Brandi and I having a similar conversation once before. And it didn’t really cause a rip in the veil…because we were open-minded and willing to serve one another.

Gender roles are only wholly invalid when accompanied by closed-mindedness.

Submitted by Jason L. Buchanan. Visit his Facebook Profile.

#3 Women Have Taken Over The Only Roles In Which Men Excel...

~As the subject relates to feminism.

Women have proven themselves to be strong and capable and excellent in truly any field they choose to exploit. I don't think that is up for discussion.

Did feminism do American society any favors? In the end, not really.

While women, as a gender, have the ability to run nations and corporations and anything else they want to run, men, as a gender, generally have neither desire nor equal abilities to raise children and manage the delicacies of homemaking.

American feminism has proven that women can do whatever we want. The movement has also spawned entire generations of children who rarely eat dinner with their families, come home from school to empty houses, spend their early childhoods in daycare, and are raised largely by the public school system and their peers. Feminism encourages women to despise their traditional giftings and believe that what men are doing is better. Women have taken over the only roles in which men excel and abandoned the roles men cannot fill, leaving the vital roles of homemaker and child rearer, simply unattended.

Was it worth it?

Submitted by Beth Rogers. Visit her blog - Veritable Observations.

#4 We're Not Completely Animals, Are We?

Of course gender roles are valid. As is the case with most cliches, there are some truths to gender-specific stereotypes such as women feelings their "biological clocks" ticking and men experiencing mid-life crises. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution unfortunately (or fortunately?) mean that women take on much of the child rearing duties so assigned to them in their "gender role" while men take on much of the "spreading their seed" duties assigned to them in theirs. It makes perfect sense for the longevity of our species for the females to take on duties such as staying home with the children, preparing meals, cleaning the home, etc.; they carry the offspring and those duties ensure their survival. It also makes perfect sense for the men to work outside the home; they don't have the biological burden of carrying offspring. And, as an added bonus of not carrying the offspring, they are free to spread their genetics all over the place while the women are taking care of these duties in order to ensure genetic variation of the species and the "strongest" surviving.

However, we're not completely animals, are we? That is why while gender roles are valid, they shouldn't be inflexible. I'd like to think what separates humans from other animals is a sense of morality and social justice, and gender roles should be flexible inasmuch as morality and social justice require it. I don't think women should be forced (either literally or by societal pressures to be "perfect women") into procreation or being a stay-at-home mother as much as I don't think they should be forced to wear the nigab or have sister wives. I also don't think that Ellen Degeneres is an abomination because she married Portia De Rossi and likes to dress like a boy (as a matter of fact, I think that's just fine and adorable to boot). Additionally, I think men should be freed from this thought that their worth is based on their ability to provide (in modern America, usually meaning "making a bunch of money"). I also think it debases their worth to be pressured into enjoy strip clubs, seeing Paris Hilton's vagina on the internet, or liking fake breasts if that's not their thing (as if it made them less "manly" that they wanted something more).

In any case, I like to bake bread, can vegetables, and have been getting baby fever just as much as the next woman in her late 20s (well, the baby fever part anyway; I'm pretty sure the first two may just be because I'm a closet hippie). But, I am also not comfortable with the thought of not having a choice on whether to fulfill my traditional gender role. Knowing that society is filled with individuals like me makes it imperative, in my opinion, for gender roles to be flexible.

Submitted by Amanda Rogers, Esq. Visit her blog - Seven Eighty One.

#5 Even After "Working All Day"

I guess it would depend on which gender roles you are discussing...

Depending on whether you are looking at the cultural norms of Biblical times, of the American 1950s, of the Taliban Afghanistan, or of modern America; gender roles are defined by the present community.

Living in America, I have the right to define men and women as equal partners; however, embracing equality does not mean that I deny differences. In my family, my husband and I simply do what is needed to make our family function smoothly. I don’t mind doing the laundry, but I absolutely hate cooking dinner. My husband doesn’t mind cooking dinner (even after "working all day") when he gets home, but he doesn’t care about dusting or organization as much as I do. I mean, no one wants to take out the trash or clean the bathrooms; but why should one "job" be specifically deemed better for one gender than for the other?

As for parents who work by staying home or at a job away from home, I believe the same rule should apply. I have done both. I sometimes believe Jason would be far better a stay-at-home (work-at-home) parent than me. Unfortunately, I could not put my master’s degree to good use in order to be the salary earner after leaving church ministry. Had I been able to obtain a job that would have allowed Jason to be home with the children, this would have been our choice. Ultimately, I do believe during the first five years of a child’s life, a parent at home is irreplaceable...an invaluable experience for both the parent and the child. Yet, if this option is available, I do not believe the best parent for the job should be decided by gender...

Wouldn’t passion or desire seem a better option? Sometimes we ask the wrong questions, and when we do, we are never able to answer correctly...


Submitted by Brandi Buchanan, M.Div. Visit her blog – The Living Witness.

#6 Deciding To Stay Home And Raise Children Is The Hardest Job

My initial thought/reaction is "for whom?" and "for when?"

I would like to reply for our day, time, and culture, but I think that the best approach is usually contextual, and therefore historical. Only when you understand the past can you truly understand the present. The goes for our own interpersonal lives or our own culture throughout time, or even historically cross-culturally, as what we are really talking about are gender roles here in American. And since we are a melting pot, of varying cultures, religion, and yes of time (generational expectations), we really need to think of these things in perspective of their context to ask such a bold question as "are they valid."

If you take the perspective that a woman should be "barefoot, pregnant, and always in the home" one might initially think you could only place this mentality in 1950’s American, however I could also ascribe this worldview to modern day Afghanistan, or even rural parts of the south this very moment. But you can find variations of this all over the world still very much alive, and dare I say it "valid" for those within those cultures globally as well as sub-cultures within America. Which brings me to my second thought, "for what purpose and for whose benefit?"

To this, with regard to the previous example, I would have to say, a very patriarchal and rural and or agricultural society. Again, a state of being which we can find all over the map and even in our own backyard still today. And I want to make clear before going any further, I think that women and men have the right to fill whichever role fits them best, and I think that deciding to stay home and raise children IS the hardest job you can have and is the most beautiful thing any woman can do for society, that is to rear wonderful human beings.

Having well defined gender roles keep everyone in their place, that is to say, keeps things simple and the roles, duties, and responsibilities well defined. Men are generally better suited for manual labor and harvesting, which leaves the house-tending and child rearing to the women-folk. Why confuse things, "if it’s not broke, don't fix it" right?

HOWEVER...

We don’t all live in simple pastoral and male dominated societies any longer (and thank the Lord! If you are among those that don’t think this is a good thing, ask Turkey or Iran how well they are transitioning these days). Some parts of society, more urban settings, and more industrialized nations have the luxury of leaving those previously mandated roles of both men and women to others in society. In many parts of America the men-folk no longer till their own farm and harvest their own crops, nor do they build their own barns and towns. So if they are freed up to pursue more creative passions and higher ambitions if farming or manual labor isn’t for them (of which I think either way is a good and honest way to earn a living, so I’m not knocking either), then why should women be relegated to tending house and children all day? That fancy job in the big city pays well, and women are graduating from college in higher numbers than men, so why shouldn’t we hire maids and nannies? (I wish!) Men are allowed to have different roles and expectations now-a-days, so why shouldn’t women as well?

My point is – that gender roles serve the purpose of their particular society, in its own time and place; they serve as societal guidelines to better serve the larger community’s goals. Furthermore, when gender roles aren’t well defined, this leads to confusion, frustration, bruised egos of men and stressed-out bodies of women. But that’s a whole other tangent, and I’m already waaay over my word-count limit! :)

But I say a good bit of this tongue-in-cheek, because there are those times, after a long day at work, a long night at school, and a longer night of staying up to finish a paper before I have to wake up and do it all again, when I ask myself, "when do I have time to cook or grocery shop, let alone relax, and when will I ever have time to raise a family?" And there are those times when my partner, a man who was raised by a strong independent female who could "do it all" (work, grad school, and raise two nearly perfect children 20 something years ago when it was all that much more difficult), doesn’t open a door, fails to take out the garbage, or doesn’t stand up to a person or situation because he knows that we are equals and I can take care of it just as well as he can – and I wonder, is this really any better than "how it used to be?", Is it worth the trade-off?

Ultimately, I think that what matters most is being able to make the decision for ourselves and not have it forced on us by society or religion, whether it’s a woman wanting to be a high-powered attorney and paying someone to care for the kiddos during the day, or a man cultivating his caring nature and becoming a nurse or stay at home dad. Because the most functional societies are those that are filled with individuals who are allowed to follow their dreams and give of their greatest strengths and talents back to society, whatever roles those might fit.

Submitted by Summer Cartwright.

13 comments:

  1. A friend of mine posted this (very silly) video. And since we're talking about gender roles this week, i thought you might enjoy it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkXF0IJbqtI

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  2. Wow, I think this one brought out the most differing perspectives yet!

    Amanda, what if I'm not Christian? Do I still have to submit? If I don't, then what? I guess what I'm asking is, how does your view on marriage translate to non-Christians? For instance, in my belief system, men and women are different, but equal in their potential contributions to a marriage. Why then, would male headship work for me?

    Beth, notwithstanding the fact that I agree with you to some extent, your perspective doesn't give men much credit, does it? I agree that women are great, but does that mean men can't also be great at whatever they put their minds to? I'd hate to think of men as inherently limited.

    Summer, I hear you on having the time to do it all... It reminds me of that song by No Doubt, "Simply Life," (e.g., "sometimes I wish, for a mistake")...

    Jason, I think you touch on a good point... What's wrong with a little political correctness if you're open-minded and willing to serve ONE ANOTHER (rather than simply the wife serving the husband)?

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  3. I would have liked to see more male perspectives on this subject. In my past research on the views women hold of gender roles, whether it be in the family, in the work force, or even in ministerial positions; women are far more resistant and more judgmental of other women. Men seem to be more open to accepting women as different, yet equal to themselves. These posts just confirm how strongly women hold differing opinions on the subject of gender roles. Therefore, how can anything be politically correct, when the ones to which the correctness implies cannot decide what is correct?

    Just a thought.

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  4. Amanda Esquire,

    I, the hopeless optimist that i am, ALWAYS believe that ANYONE can do ANYTHING they truly decide and put forth the appropriate effort to do. That said, and no matter how demeaning it might seem, i stick by what i wrote.
    I can only go on what i have seen, but men -IN GENERAL- (there are obviously exceptions to every rule) are very limited when it comes to providing gentleness and understanding in the delicate areas of child rearing, may enjoy clean spaces but rarely are willing to put forth the effort (my husband doesn't even see the dirt. He will tell you a room is clean, but if a woman walked in that room and looked around, we'd want to whop him on the head), and don't find much delight in the daily chores of cooking, cleaning, sewing, helping with homework, etc.

    Let me use James (my husband): with the exception of cleaning, he can do pretty much all of the individual tasks of homemaking at least two times better than i can. He loves to cook and does it instinctually without recipes and makes some of the most fantastic stuff i've ever tasted; he is fantastic with children, and children naturally take to him most of the time; he (though he might deny it now) can sew clothing without a pattern, and it looks good; and he has an impeccable (and PICKY) eye for interior decor. However, he cannot cook and clean, and he cannot cook and accomplish anything else in the house at the same time - he will actually use every (and i mean EVERY) dish in the house and then clean only what he has to have to cook the next thing he wants to cook; he loves children and loves to play with them, yet he has no patience for crying and no understanding of why anyone with a home could ever have a legitimate reason to spend the night in another person's home just to spend time together (we're talking about children here); and with the others, he's just NOT a multi-tasker when it comes to homemaking activities. And where it comes to interior decorating, he would leave our home completely bare as opposed to trying to make it look as good as possible with what we have if what we have isn't ideal.

    Also, his male need to provide that you mentioned in your response is completely unsatisfied with the tasks of homemaking. I know this because for a while, i worked two jobs while he went to school and kept the house. When there came a lull in the class schedule, he was completely depressed.

    Men have a need to provide materially whether it makes sense or not. I have a need to provide immaterially, and i think that's because i'm a woman.

    I don't think it's mean to say it. Men and women are different, inherently. Those differences are good and neither is better than the other...(ok, maybe i think the women's roles are a little better, but i would sure hate to have to fulfill them without a man around fulfilling manly roles.)

    I may have gotten a little rambly there. It's hard for me to proofread in this little box. =)

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  5. Everyone else’s posts/comments made me more deeply consider my thoughts on gender roles…

    Though I have no difficulty subordinating myself to another person (either male or female), I more often have a problem being forced to accept a role or position. Both men and women rightfully want to be “in control” of themselves and their actions. And this is easy – so long as we are acting alone without affecting anyone else. From my perspective, the conflict on gender roles only surfaces in family, community and societal arrangements. [Wow, how profound…doesn’t that essentially mean ‘in every other possible scenario?’]

    Here is where my conservative-Christian brothers and sisters will likely disagree with me – regarding the Biblical guidance on gender roles. Among other more important things, the Bible is a document of antiquity and appears to accurately reflect the norms and ideals of 1st Century Jewish culture (specifically the New Testament). As a result, there are many instances of culture reflected through the Holy Scripture that have no bearing on the inerrancy or validity of the Bible – they simply reflect historical context. In my opinion, this is similar to how the Bible references slavery (or “condones” it, as our southern forefathers would’ve argued); we must interpret the principals that were being taught, rather than focusing on the present-culture efficacy of the analogies and examples that were used. From my study and perspective, the key concept of the Bible as it relates to gender is this: “submit yourselves, one to another…” This principal sufficiently applies to both marriage and non-marriage relationships.

    If the saying “no man is an island” is true, then we must address the question of gender roles in order to participate in relationship (community, society and family). How peacefully we work/live together is a direct result of how well we are able to define and accept these roles. This is where the understanding expectations is vitally important. If women expect true equality, while men expect complete submission – community cannot exist. Once expectations are fully understood, if conflict still persists – and the members of the community still desire to remain in community together – then they must resolve their differences through peaceful compromise. There is no rule that decides who wins in a tie-breaker.

    In my opinion, the Latin phrase – “In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas” is appropriate here...in essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, love.

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  6. I think there is definitely room for interpretation Biblical on gender roles. While Paul said that the women should be silent and not instruct the men, God appointed Deborah judge over Israel in the Old Testament. There also has to be room for the possibility that some instructions were given for a specific situation and possibly illustrated a principle. We can't go too far with that, of course. We can't make the Bible our own little "make your own ending" novel. But there are certain things.

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  7. First of all, I just have to say that I agree with Amanda Esq in that this topic has perhaps been the most intriguing, and it has brought out many perspectives (more than 6 even). Ha.

    I wanted to bring something up that I hope some of you will come across and ultimately comment on.

    There has been a lot of talk here on the progression of gender roles in the view that, starting out, men and women both play specific roles in society that are instilled in them and typically performed. However, individuality has become a much stronger characteristic over the past few decades and therefore both men and women seem to develop certain urges or desires to show that they can be equal to their counterpart, showing the capabilities of fulfilling both roles: caregiver, provider, leader, etc.

    What I am interested in knowing is what others think about people who cross over into different gender roles, not because they want to prove their equality, but because they believe they are the opposite of their physical anatomy; they are transgender.

    On a similar topic, there has long been a debate over whether or not homosexuality is biological or simply a choice of lifestyle. I think we can find the same discussion with transgendered people.

    Is a transgendered person actually born into the wrong body? Or, is it a thought brought on by gender roles? Is it a choice?

    If you are confused by approach, I'll explain. Are gender roles desired? Can a lack of attractiveness from one gender role lead a person into another direction?

    The reason why I bring this up is because, first of all I have to admit that I personally don't have the experience non the less enough information to decide whether or not homosexuality or transgender is biological or a choice. We may never actually know the right answer, we take people's word for it. But in terms of transgendered people, if the desire of the role of the opposite sex can bring forth a belief that a person was born into the wrong body, then I think from that gender roles are validated and distinct from one another.

    This is just a thought I wanted to bring up. I do want to end with one last comment about the topic. I believe that the ultimate purpose for gender roles are to not create an inequality but to ensure an equilibrium within society. Gender roles bring out the skills and importance of both men and women that allow us to progress through life just as we have for so long. It shows us our place in life, in the world. If gender roles dissolve and the expectations of men and women are no longer distinct from one another then I believe it will be hard for us as individuals to understand or know who we are.

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  8. Thanks for everyone's comments!

    Amanda Rogers: To respond to your questions for me, I think male headship is the most promising way to work through conflict in marriage regardless of whether you are a Christian or not because it seems to work well with the inherent characteristics of each gender. (Of course, this all gets very tricky in cases of domestic violence, alcohol abuse, etc; no women should have to submit to an abusive husband because submitting is condoning their violence). I've observed many marriages (some that failed and some that succeeded) and the ones in which the "man wears the pants" (excuse the expression) have a far higher success rate. I'd like to see some hard and fast statistics on this too. I'd be willing to bet on my theory. I can't put my finger on why it seems to work, except for maybe that it seems men really crave respect like women crave affection.

    That said, no one has to follow this guideline of male headship. If a person's perspective is that headship is outdated or incorrect, they don't have to practice that in their marriage. But, let's do a thought experiment: If there is a God, and if God created men and women with complimentary qualities, and He also gave them truthful instructions on how to make their relationships with one another successful, then following the instructions will produce better results than not following the instructions, even if you don't believe in the God that created them. In other words, if God actually exists, the reality of His existence and design over creation still holds whether or not one believes in Him or not. On the other hand, if God doesn't exist, or if He does and He didn't give us truthful instructions about marriage, then all bets are off. You might as just live the way that seems most likely to succeed.

    Jason, in response to your approach to exegesis, I might dismiss Paul's instructions on gender as irrelevent for today if he hadn't rooted them in God's creation design in Genesis. Specifically, in 1 Timothy he refers to Adam and Eve, and to their state before the fall and the curse. The curse seems to suggest that gender roles have been reversed from what God intended them to be, that women now try to rule over men, and that men now are domineering rather than servant-like in their leadership. Furthermore, in Ephesians 5, Paul uses Christ and the church as an analogue for marriage. Why would he do this if he didn't mean wife submission and husband servant leadership to be a universal truth crossing all cultures and generations?

    This is why I think it's important to get this right: every human institution was designed by God to reflect some truth about Himself. If we get the wrong picture of marriage, or parenthood, or even church hierarchy, we get the wrong picture of God.

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  9. Amanda S.: I think you and I could go back and forth on this infinitely. Even more, I consider that gender roles have so much more to do with all aspects of community, family and society - not just marriage.

    We would definitely not adopt the culturally appropriate role of women in society or community from 1st Century Judaism. Why, then, would we still hold to that era's role for women in the family.

    I am more inclined to see biblical instructions on "family" in the light of the Bible's cultural context - and to discern what the analogy was saying about God, within that historical context. It would be exegetically incorrect for me to apply my modern day understanding of family/society/community to describe the character of God. We learn about the nature and character of God from understanding the analogy within its historical context.

    In short, I believe we should learn about God by reading and understanding the Bible within its appropriate context. We should not strive to live by the cultural norms (Patriarchs) described in the Bible. The difficulty lies in extracting one from the other... :)

    Thanks, everyone, for humoring this elongated discussion on Biblical Intepretation. I repeat - this was not my intent...

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  10. Damian,
    What are you trying to stir up??
    =)
    I'll just say, as far as it goes with transgender issues, that i have opinions; however, since i do not have any personal observations or relevant research under my intellectual belt, i do not think that this is a subject i should comment on in this setting.

    Jason, a technical thought: on many blogs, under the "post a comment" box, there is a little place where you can check to have new comments emailed to you. I think that if this one had that, it would be easier for us to continue the discussion. Without it, we have to keep checking back. Just a thought. =) I'm enjoying this by the way.

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  11. Amanda S.,

    You said, "the ones in which the "man wears the pants" (excuse the expression) have a far higher success rate. I'd like to see some hard and fast statistics on this too. I'd be willing to bet on my theory."

    One thought (success of the marriage) doesn't necessarily flow from the other (the man wearing the pants). You've got a causality issue... How do we know those marriages may be more successful (which, I'm not convinced they are in terms of being happy or fulfilling) simply because ANY relationship where one person constantly succumbs to the other's wishes will last longer (which, it what I'm assuming you mean by "successful"). In essence, you're saying because the men wear the pants, the marriages last until "death do they part." What if it's just that the women are pushovers and were taught never to value self fulfillment? Or, what if the women just truly like to submit to the men?

    My point is that this set-up doesn't work for everyone, Christian or not, because people are individuals (to Damien's point) and have different needs. For instance, I have a need to be respected and valued because of my ideas, my intelligence, and my creativity. I have a need to be considered equal to any other human being. Thus, I could never love someone or be in a relationship with someone who ultimately I knew could veto my decisions; that's the antithesis of equality.

    Ultimately, I think it's a matter of different strokes for different folks...

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  12. Beth: HA HA, sorry I just wanted to throw that in there. It's a head scratcher huh?

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  13. "While women, as a gender, have the ability to run nations and corporations and anything else they want to run, men, as a gender, generally have neither desire nor equal abilities to raise children and manage the delicacies of homemaking."

    I am assistant manager where I work(and the mangager is a woman by the way)so yeah I agree with the first part. However my husband is perfectly happy working only part-time and caring for our children for the remainder of the day. In fact he cooks and cleans better than me(I'm almost ashamed to admit). I think that he certainly cares for our children more than I can provide for them right now emotionally. I guess this means my husband is secretly a woman?

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